Fasting during Ramadan, Muslims and a Skyscraper

Muslims’ month long fast enters the second week. I wrote last week to show how God Almighty did not institute it. You can read my article, which utilizes the Qur’an to arrive at its conclusion, HERE. I discussed how the Qur’an envisaged the Muslim fast to go strictly according to the position of the sun.

Some Muslims have protested. One of them claims in places like Barrow, Alaska, where the sun rarely sets or rises during certain summer or winter months, a Muslim in “Alaska follows Vancouver or Seattle.” He totally dismissed the Qur’an, which clearly shows the position of the sun should determine fasting in Islam. Then came this bombshell out of Dubai where a prominent Muslim cleric issues a fatwa requiring certain residents of Burj Khalifa—the tallest skyscraper in the world—to wait longer to break their fast than the rest of Muslims in Dubai.

Gulf News reports:

Dubai: Muslims residing above the 80th floor in Dubai’s Burj Khalifa must delay their iftar meal during Ramadan by two to three minutes as they see the sunset later, according to the Dubai Islamic Affairs Department.

Those residents should also start their daily fasting two minutes earlier on the grounds that dawn descends on them before those living on lower levels, the Department said in a Fatwa (edict).

“Residents in Burj Khalifa should observe varied timings for iftar, sunset and dawn prayers depending on the level where live,” the paper said, quoting Ahmad Abdul Aziz Al Haddad, head of the Fatwa division at the department.

He said Muslims living on the 80-150 floors in the tower, the world’s tallest structure, should delay their iftar meal by two minutes while those on the 151-160 floors should break their fasting three minutes late.

“Residents on 80-150 floors should also perform evening and night prayers two minutes late and dawn prayers two minutes earlier while those above the 150th level should delay their evening and night prayers by three minutes and bring forward dawn prayers by three minutes,” he said.

“This difference in timing on the 160-storey building is because sun sets later for residents on top floors while these residents are the first to see the sun at dawn.”

I wrote last week about the Qur’an stating that the sun sets “in a spring of murky water.” It tells a story of a man who traveled on a road and “reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water.” Prophet Muhammad invented the fast during the month of Ramadhan. If Muhammad didn’t invent it, then the “God” in the Qur’an—contrary to all his attributes in the Qur’an—was limited to seeing the sun “going down” into the horizon, hence instituted the fast according to his limited knowledge.

The fatwa in Dubai is another proof the Muslim fast is according to the sun; further proving someone fallible instituted it.

Please pray for Muslims. May the Lord show them His Light so that they break free!

  • Mohammad

    Dear Mr. Hussein / Mr. Morgan
    Sorry to say, you have very little idea about rules of Islam. You will not find many rules in The Qur’an & Hadith. But that doesn’t mean that these are baseless. Great scholars of Islam extracted these rules based on The Qur’an and Hadith after detailed study and discussion. All rules are established and obeyed by the Muslims with full confidence. Regarding fasting in Ramadan there is no doubt as the rules are very clearly mentioned in The Qur’an and Hadith. Though the rules for Polar region was not mentioned it can be found as per the law of “ruling on new subject”. The rule is, for a new question five prominent Islamic scholar of that region will give the decision. Whatever decision will be given by them, that to be obeyed without any question. If any mistake, Inshallah Allah(SWT) will forgive. Let me remind you one thing, why are you not considering the advantages during winter? Islam does not recommend to take illogical benefit. If you take benefit in winter, you have to suffer in summer. If you can’t, then leave the place. Allah(SWT)’s world is wide enough. Go somewhere else where you can perform Ramadan fasting without any doubt and that is the true spirit of a Muslim.

  • Seeking for guidance

    Please check the date and time of the comments posted below to get a chronological order of the discussion.

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  • Seeking for guidance

    This is in response to Hussein’s August 10, 2011 at 9:39 pm comment.

    Brother Hussein.
    Let’s not digress. The reason why i brought the Hadith is to answer your question how Muslims deal with fasting and prayer times in a situation where day and nights aren’t distinguishable. As mentioned in the Hadith you calculate. It is as simple as that. Does this sound desperate? I quoted not only one verse but two verses from the Quran and a Hadith to explain and back my answer.
    Whoever sounds desperate here is you, because at first you asked the source of the Hadith. when the source is given to you, you ask a question about Dajjal which is a completely different subject. and then you say “The Hadith clearly proves Prophet Muhammad invented the fast during Ramadhan” . How is that even related to the Hadith…Brother Hussein from your last comment i highly believe that you know the truth but you don’t want to accept it. And Yes indeed Islam is perfect.
    “And say: Truth hath come and falsehood hath vanished away. Lo! falsehood is ever bound to vanish.”(Al-Isra17:81)
    Peace

    • http://www.cracksinthecrescent.com Hussein

      Abdul,
      You wrote:

      when the source is given to you, you ask a question about Dajjal which is a completely different subject.

      Your Hadith source is about Dajjal. I did not bring up a different subject. You quoted Hadith which clearly shows what Muslims must do when Dajjal (anti-Christ) comes. I asked you simple questions. Why are you evading them?

      You again wrote:

      Brother Hussein from your last comment i highly believe that you know the truth but you don’t want to accept it. And Yes indeed Islam is perfect.

      There is not even a vestige of truth in Islam. Let me be clear. I have a long post in response to your first comment. Since I am traveling today, I will post it by tomorrow afternoon, Lord willing. Islam’s imperfection galore. Only the oblivious don’t see them.

      As for my question about the Hadith in question, well, no Muslim has ever quoted that Hadith to make a case for what you are trying to defend: plausible to observe the fast and Five Daily prayers in Polar Regions. I was shocked that you were even attempting it when the Hadith had nothing to do with Polar Regions. Muslims believe Dajjal is yet to come. That is why I asked you if according to you he has already come. Am I clear?

      • Seeking for guidance

        Brother Hussien

        I think i need to break it down again for you to understand. I need you to keep in mind that there are many lessons that you can take from a Hadith. I hope you agree with this.
        So now the Hadith i quoted address many issues and has many lessons. And the Lesson that i want to emphasize here is how do Muslims deal with prayer times and fasting when there is a special case (like live in polar regions) and the answer from the Hadith is calculate.
        The other lesson, among the many lessons of the Hadith, has to do with Dajjal. So if you want to ask question about Dajjal, it is going to be about another lesson of the Hadith. Do you see now why i said let’s not digress? I hope you do. By the way i read your story from the about me section of your blog and have asked you some questions there. In case if you don’t see it i also emailed it to you. Please check it.
        Allah is the all knower.
        Peace

        • Seeking for guidance

          Brother Hussein.

          You have asked me many questions here. Now I think I deserve to ask you a question too. Since we are focusing on geography, my question is regarding to what the Bible says about geography. The bible says in Gospel of Matthew Ch 4 V 8 “Again, the devil took him(Jesus) to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.” and also in Gospel of Luke Ch 4 V 5 “The devil, leading him(Jesus) up on a high mountain, showed him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time” . Now these verses show that the Bible assumes that the earth is flat. Because even if you go to the tallest mountain on earth and supposedly you have a very good vision and can see thousands of miles yet you will not be able to see all the kingdom of the world because today we know the earth is spherical and it is impossible to to see the opposite side of the earth. The only way you will be able to see all the kingdoms of the earth is if the earth was flat. So Brother Hussien what do you think about this. i want to read what you have to say.
          Thank you.

          • http://www.cracksinthecrescent.com Hussein

            Abdul,

            I have responded to your comment HERE. By the way, the Bible does not assume “that the earth is flat” in the verses you have quoted. Please read and respond to my article. Thank you.

  • Seeking for guidance

    Sure brother Hussein.
    The Hadith is reported in the books of Muslim, Tirmidhi, Abu Dawud and Ibn Majah. And It is just one Hadith not two as you put it in your question.

    I ask Allah for his forgiveness and guidance.

  • Seeking for guidance

    Dear Brother,

    In Islam you have the right to ask any question. I have been asked this question by one of my non- Muslim friend “How do people in Alaska and some other countries where the sun doesn’t set for days fast during Ramadan?”. Well I had no clue how to answer the question at that time because I didn’t know the answer. But then i come home and started wondering what the answer would be. I researched the answer online for nearly two hours and found this perfect answer. It quotes the Quran and the saying of Prophet Mohammed (P.B.U.H) But before going to the answer i would like to point out that the religion Islam is complete as the Quran say in Surah Al-Maeda Verse 3 “…… This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion…..” So there are no question that you wouldn’t find answers in Islam. Going back to the answer yes fasting is from dusk to sunset. So what happens if there is no sunset should the person fast the whole day? no because Allah says in the Quran”….. Allah would not place a burden on you, but He would purify you and would perfect His grace upon you, that ye may give thanks. (Al-Ma’idah 5:6) in another chapter of the Quran Allah says “Allah does not burden a person beyond his/her capacity….”. (Al-Baqarah :286). So obviously from this Verses you can see that Allah doesn’t ask for beyond what you can do. But then Fasting is Obligatory and should the people in Alaska not fast? Off course they should. How? Let me bring a Hadith which address similar issue . The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, describing the situation at the time of the appearance of Dajjal. He said, “When the Dajjal will come to deceive the people, he will remain on the earth for forty days, one of which will be as long as a year, the second as long as a month, the third as long as a week and the remaining days as your normal days.” One of the Companions stood and asked the Messenger of Allah, ‘On the day which will be as long as a year, would it be sufficient to offer only five prayers of the day?’ The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, replied, “No, but calculate.”. So when you face a situation like the question you asked the answer is CALCULATE. Therefore the person who lives in Alaska should follow the timings of the area that is closest to them which has normal days and nights. I hope this answers your question.
    May Allah guide us to the right path Ameen.

    • http://www.cracksinthecrescent.com Hussein

      What Hadith are you quoting? Would you please give the Hadith reference for:

      When the Dajjal will come to deceive the people, he will remain on the earth for forty days, one of which will be as long as a year, the second as long as a month, the third as long as a week and the remaining days as your normal days.”

      And:

      One of the Companions stood and asked the Messenger of Allah, ‘On the day which will be as long as a year, would it be sufficient to offer only five prayers of the day?’ The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, replied, “No, but calculate.”

      Thank you!

      • Seeking for guidance

        Sure brother Hussein.
        The Hadith is reported in the books of Muslim, Tirmidhi, Abu Dawud and Ibn Majah. And It is just one Hadith not two as you put it in your question.

        I ask Allah for his forgiveness and guidance.

        • http://www.cracksinthecrescent.com Hussein

          Abdul:
          Thank you for your response! I also emailed you to ask if the Hadith you had quoted was from Sahih Muslim Book 41, Hadith Number 7015. I will look the rest of your sources. By the way, your comment raises more questions than it answers my post. I will respond in detail tomorrow (Wednesday). Thank you for taking your time to comment.

          • Seeking for guidance

            Brother Hussein Thank you for taking your time to read my comment. I will check my email and get back to you as soon as I can Inshallah.
            May Allah guide us to the straight path

          • http://www.cracksinthecrescent.com Hussein

            Abdul:
            Do you believe Dajjal has come? The Hadith you have quoted to make your case for prayers or fasting in geographical locations where the sun doesn’t rise or set raises more questions than it answers my post. What does it have to do with Alaska when Muslims believe Dajjal is yet to come? This Hadith clearly proves Prophet Muhammad invented the fast during Ramadhan. Polar Regions existed when Islam was supposedly perfected but apparently nothing was said in the Qur’an or Hadith to address prayers or fasting in this region. All Muslims can do now is to try to make sense of what doesn’t make sense (Muslim fasting or praying in Alaska), desperately quoting Hadith that exclusively deals with the “End.” Nice try. I will post a long post in response to your long comment. Thank you for your comments!

  • http://twitter.com/IslamNotMuslims Andrew Morgan

    Oh, and another thing…

    Your claim that Al-Qur’an says the sun sets in a “puddle of murky water”, or whatever is not true.

    That’s not in Al-Qur’an…it’s a hadith.

    Hadiths are cloudy & most suck…but let’s assume Muhammad said that.

    Ok.

    Al-Qur’an says repeatedly that Muhammad was fallible.

    So, whatever – he was wrong about something.

    Your approach to debunking Islam is endearing, but you can’t even get your citations written clearly, in context, nor are they truthful.

    It’s easy to prove liars & the ignorant wrong.

    Start citing your sources correctly & stop lying to a mass audience about things you’re ignorant to, can be looked up easily, & you’re lying about.

  • http://twitter.com/IslamNotMuslims Andrew Morgan

    Your argument sucks. You’re claiming Al-Qur’an says the fasting during Ramadan is depicted by the positioning of the sun.

    You’re wrong.

    It says that fasting is to begin at the break of dawn, until night.

    Begin fasting when “the white thread of dawn becomes distinct from the black thread of night, & then complete your fast until the night”.

    “Complete your fast until the night”

    If you’re in Alaska & it is dark outside at 3 PM, IT’S NOT NIGHTTIME!!!

    No sun during the DAY does not indicate NIGHT.

    This is at least the 5th time I have shot down your ridiculous claims to Islam…you should stop.

    • http://www.cracksinthecrescent.com Hussein

      Thanks, Mr. Morgan! You wrote:

      If you’re in Alaska & it is dark outside at 3 PM, IT’S NOT NIGHTTIME!!!

      No sun during the DAY does not indicate NIGHT.

      Never heard this before! Is English your first language? You have whole new definitions for night and day. You just proved my point that Ramadan is man made.

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/IslamNotMuslims Andrew Morgan

        If it’s 3 in the afternoon, & the sun is down – that doesn’t mean it’s night…

        Just as when the sun isn’t up at 3 AM, that doesn’t mean it’s night…

        AM means morning…PM means evening.

        You’re a jackass.